diff --git a/selfdrive/selfdrived/selfdrived.py b/selfdrive/selfdrived/selfdrived.py
index 4e599d34ca..16845b5620 100755
--- a/selfdrive/selfdrived/selfdrived.py
+++ b/selfdrive/selfdrived/selfdrived.py
@@ -88,7 +88,7 @@ class SelfdriveD(CruiseHelper):
     # TODO: de-couple selfdrived with card/conflate on carState without introducing controls mismatches
     self.car_state_sock = messaging.sub_sock('carState', timeout=20)
 
-    ignore = self.sensor_packets + self.gps_packets + ['alertDebug'] + ['modelDataV2SP'] + ['navigationd']
+    ignore = self.sensor_packets + self.gps_packets + ['alertDebug'] + ['modelDataV2SP']
     if SIMULATION:
       ignore += ['driverCameraState', 'managerState']
     if REPLAY:
@@ -98,7 +98,7 @@ class SelfdriveD(CruiseHelper):
                                    'carOutput', 'driverMonitoringState', 'longitudinalPlan', 'livePose', 'liveDelay',
                                    'managerState', 'liveParameters', 'radarState', 'liveTorqueParameters',
                                    'controlsState', 'carControl', 'driverAssistance', 'alertDebug', 'userBookmark', 'audioFeedback',
-                                   'modelDataV2SP', 'longitudinalPlanSP', 'navigationd'] + \
+                                   'modelDataV2SP', 'longitudinalPlanSP'] + \
                                   self.camera_packets + self.sensor_packets + self.gps_packets,
                                   ignore_alive=ignore, ignore_avg_freq=ignore,
                                   ignore_valid=ignore, frequency=int(1/DT_CTRL))
@@ -462,7 +462,7 @@ class SelfdriveD(CruiseHelper):
 
     if not self.initialized:
       all_valid = CS.canValid and self.sm.all_checks()
-      timed_out = self.sm.frame * DT_CTRL > 6.
+      timed_out = self.sm.frame * DT_CTRL > 10.
       if all_valid or timed_out or (SIMULATION and not REPLAY):
         available_streams = VisionIpcClient.available_streams("camerad", block=False)
         if VisionStreamType.VISION_STREAM_ROAD not in available_streams: