diff --git a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/mici/onroad/alert_renderer.py b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/mici/onroad/alert_renderer.py
index fe96bbd03..d2896e180 100644
--- a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/mici/onroad/alert_renderer.py
+++ b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/mici/onroad/alert_renderer.py
@@ -128,7 +128,7 @@ class AlertRenderer(Widget):
 
       # 1. Never received selfdriveState since going onroad
       waiting_for_startup = recv_frame < ui_state.started_frame
-      if waiting_for_startup and time_since_onroad > 5:
+      if waiting_for_startup and time_since_onroad > 10:
         return ALERT_STARTUP_PENDING
 
       # 2. Lost communication with selfdriveState after receiving it
diff --git a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/onroad/alert_renderer.py b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/onroad/alert_renderer.py
index 29ace6628..62511b87d 100644
--- a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/onroad/alert_renderer.py
+++ b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/onroad/alert_renderer.py
@@ -92,7 +92,7 @@ class AlertRenderer(Widget):
 
       # 1. Never received selfdriveState since going onroad
       waiting_for_startup = recv_frame < ui_state.started_frame
-      if waiting_for_startup and time_since_onroad > 5:
+      if waiting_for_startup and time_since_onroad > 10:
         return ALERT_STARTUP_PENDING
 
       # 2. Lost communication with selfdriveState after receiving it