diff --git a/panda b/panda
index 3ffe9591a..d1410f7f7 160000
--- a/panda
+++ b/panda
@@ -1 +1 @@
-Subproject commit 3ffe9591a7305c71f67a70355f8098c9b5d2a611
+Subproject commit d1410f7f7b061171c3702d84d975a3da3afce109
diff --git a/selfdrive/ui/soundd.py b/selfdrive/ui/soundd.py
index d88410ada..6a203d3af 100644
--- a/selfdrive/ui/soundd.py
+++ b/selfdrive/ui/soundd.py
@@ -21,11 +21,12 @@ MIN_VOLUME = 0.1
 SELFDRIVE_STATE_TIMEOUT = 5 # 5 seconds
 FILTER_DT = 1. / (micd.SAMPLE_RATE / micd.FFT_SAMPLES)
 
-AMBIENT_DB = 30 # DB where MIN_VOLUME is applied
+AMBIENT_DB = 24 # DB where MIN_VOLUME is applied
 DB_SCALE = 30 # AMBIENT_DB + DB_SCALE is where MAX_VOLUME is applied
 
 VOLUME_BASE = 20
 if HARDWARE.get_device_type() == "tizi":
+  AMBIENT_DB = 30
   VOLUME_BASE = 10
 
 AudibleAlert = car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert