diff --git a/openpilot/cereal/log.capnp b/openpilot/cereal/log.capnp
index beb71c8da..2c4ff026e 100644
--- a/openpilot/cereal/log.capnp
+++ b/openpilot/cereal/log.capnp
@@ -771,13 +771,28 @@ struct SelfdriveState {
   alertStatus @5 :AlertStatus;
   alertSize @6 :AlertSize;
   alertType @7 :Text;
-  alertSound @8 :Car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert;
+  alertSound @13 :AudibleAlert;
   alertHudVisual @12 :Car.CarControl.HUDControl.VisualAlert;
 
   # configurable driving settings
   experimentalMode @10 :Bool;
   personality @11 :LongitudinalPersonality;
 
+  enum AudibleAlert {
+    none @0;
+
+    engage @1;
+    disengage @2;
+    refuse @3;
+
+    warningSoft @4;
+    warningImmediate @5;
+
+    prompt @6;
+    promptRepeat @7;
+    promptDistracted @8;
+  }
+
   enum OpenpilotState @0xdbe58b96d2d1ac61 {
     disabled @0;
     preEnabled @1;
@@ -798,6 +813,10 @@ struct SelfdriveState {
     mid @2;
     full @3;
   }
+
+  deprecated :group {
+    alertSound @8 :Car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert;
+  }
 }
 
 struct ControlsState @0x97ff69c53601abf1 {
@@ -918,7 +937,7 @@ struct ControlsState @0x97ff69c53601abf1 {
     alertStatus @38 :SelfdriveState.AlertStatus;
     alertSize @39 :SelfdriveState.AlertSize;
     alertType @44 :Text;
-    alertSound2 @56 :Car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert;
+    alertSound2 @56 :SelfdriveState.AudibleAlert;
     engageable @41 :Bool;  # can OP be engaged?
     state @31 :SelfdriveState.OpenpilotState;
     enabled @19 :Bool;
diff --git a/openpilot/selfdrive/selfdrived/events.py b/openpilot/selfdrive/selfdrived/events.py
index cc841acca..44814c290 100755
--- a/openpilot/selfdrive/selfdrived/events.py
+++ b/openpilot/selfdrive/selfdrived/events.py
@@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ from openpilot.common.hardware import HARDWARE
 AlertSize = log.SelfdriveState.AlertSize
 AlertStatus = log.SelfdriveState.AlertStatus
 VisualAlert = car.CarControl.HUDControl.VisualAlert
-AudibleAlert = car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert
+AudibleAlert = log.SelfdriveState.AudibleAlert
 EventName = log.OnroadEvent.EventName
 
 
@@ -118,7 +118,7 @@ class Alert:
                alert_size: log.SelfdriveState.AlertSize,
                priority: Priority,
                visual_alert: car.CarControl.HUDControl.VisualAlert,
-               audible_alert: car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert,
+               audible_alert: log.SelfdriveState.AudibleAlert,
                duration: float,
                creation_delay: float = 0.):
 
@@ -183,7 +183,7 @@ class ImmediateDisableAlert(Alert):
 
 
 class EngagementAlert(Alert):
-  def __init__(self, audible_alert: car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert):
+  def __init__(self, audible_alert: log.SelfdriveState.AudibleAlert):
     super().__init__("", "",
                      AlertStatus.normal, AlertSize.none,
                      Priority.MID, VisualAlert.none,
diff --git a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/mici/onroad/driver_camera_dialog.py b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/mici/onroad/driver_camera_dialog.py
index d88018941..35ebc3495 100644
--- a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/mici/onroad/driver_camera_dialog.py
+++ b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/mici/onroad/driver_camera_dialog.py
@@ -1,6 +1,5 @@
 import pyray as rl
 from openpilot.cereal import log, messaging
-from opendbc.car.structs import car
 from msgq.visionipc import VisionStreamType
 from openpilot.selfdrive.ui.mici.onroad.cameraview import CameraView
 from openpilot.selfdrive.ui.mici.onroad.driver_state import DriverStateRenderer
@@ -105,7 +104,7 @@ class BaseDriverCameraDialog(Widget):
     if self._pm is None:
       return
 
-    AudibleAlert = car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert
+    AudibleAlert = log.SelfdriveState.AudibleAlert
     ALERT_SOUNDS = {
       'two': AudibleAlert.promptDistracted,
       'three': AudibleAlert.warningImmediate,
diff --git a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/soundd.py b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/soundd.py
index 901e2b56c..2eb731e9e 100644
--- a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/soundd.py
+++ b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/soundd.py
@@ -4,8 +4,7 @@ import time
 import wave
 
 
-from openpilot.cereal import messaging
-from opendbc.car.structs import car
+from openpilot.cereal import log, messaging
 from openpilot.common.basedir import BASEDIR
 from openpilot.common.filter_simple import FirstOrderFilter
 from openpilot.common.realtime import Ratekeeper
@@ -31,7 +30,7 @@ if HARDWARE.get_device_type() == "tizi":
   AMBIENT_DB = 30
   VOLUME_BASE = 10
 
-AudibleAlert = car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert
+AudibleAlert = log.SelfdriveState.AudibleAlert
 
 
 sound_list: dict[int, tuple[str, int | None, float]] = {
diff --git a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/tests/test_soundd.py b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/tests/test_soundd.py
index 2890d4ae7..f878839c2 100644
--- a/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/tests/test_soundd.py
+++ b/openpilot/selfdrive/ui/tests/test_soundd.py
@@ -1,11 +1,11 @@
-from opendbc.car.structs import car
+from openpilot.cereal import log
 from openpilot.cereal import messaging
 from openpilot.cereal.messaging import SubMaster, PubMaster
 from openpilot.selfdrive.ui.soundd import SELFDRIVE_STATE_TIMEOUT, check_selfdrive_timeout_alert
 
 import time
 
-AudibleAlert = car.CarControl.HUDControl.AudibleAlert
+AudibleAlert = log.SelfdriveState.AudibleAlert
 
 
 class TestSoundd: