diff --git a/common/params_keys.h b/common/params_keys.h
index 3fd4e1b6a..8012e057a 100644
--- a/common/params_keys.h
+++ b/common/params_keys.h
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@ inline static std::unordered_map<std::string, uint32_t> keys = {
     {"ControlsReady", CLEAR_ON_MANAGER_START | CLEAR_ON_ONROAD_TRANSITION},
     {"CurrentBootlog", PERSISTENT},
     {"CurrentRoute", CLEAR_ON_MANAGER_START | CLEAR_ON_ONROAD_TRANSITION},
-    {"DisableLogging", CLEAR_ON_MANAGER_START | CLEAR_ON_ONROAD_TRANSITION},
+    {"DisableLogging", PERSISTENT},
     {"DisablePowerDown", PERSISTENT},
     {"DisableUpdates", PERSISTENT},
     {"DisengageOnAccelerator", PERSISTENT},
diff --git a/selfdrive/ui/qt/offroad/settings.cc b/selfdrive/ui/qt/offroad/settings.cc
index e81b58b91..473e044dd 100644
--- a/selfdrive/ui/qt/offroad/settings.cc
+++ b/selfdrive/ui/qt/offroad/settings.cc
@@ -68,6 +68,13 @@ TogglesPanel::TogglesPanel(SettingsWindow *parent) : ListWidget(parent) {
       "../assets/icons/metric.png",
       false,
     },
+    {
+      "DisableLogging",
+      tr("Disable Logging"),
+      "",
+      "../assets/offroad/icon_empty.svg",
+      true,
+    },
   };
 
 
diff --git a/system/manager/manager.py b/system/manager/manager.py
index c3ffe2845..706cfc6b6 100755
--- a/system/manager/manager.py
+++ b/system/manager/manager.py
@@ -39,6 +39,7 @@ def manager_init() -> None:
     ("LanguageSetting", "main_en"),
     ("OpenpilotEnabledToggle", "1"),
     ("LongitudinalPersonality", str(log.LongitudinalPersonality.standard)),
+    ("DisableLogging", "0"),
   ]
 
   if params.get_bool("RecordFrontLock"):
diff --git a/system/manager/process_config.py b/system/manager/process_config.py
index ecd5b724c..50845e988 100644
--- a/system/manager/process_config.py
+++ b/system/manager/process_config.py
@@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ def iscar(started: bool, params: Params, CP: car.CarParams) -> bool:
   return started and not CP.notCar
 
 def logging(started: bool, params: Params, CP: car.CarParams) -> bool:
-  run = (not CP.notCar) or not params.get_bool("DisableLogging")
+  run = not params.get_bool("DisableLogging")
   return started and run
 
 def ublox_available() -> bool: