diff --git a/system/manager/process_config.py b/system/manager/process_config.py
index 31114b4ee..af664f1c2 100644
--- a/system/manager/process_config.py
+++ b/system/manager/process_config.py
@@ -64,19 +64,21 @@ def and_(*fns):
   return lambda *args: operator.and_(*(fn(*args) for fn in fns))
 
 # FrogPilot variables
+def allow_logging(started: bool, params: Params, CP: car.CarParams, frogpilot_toggles: SimpleNamespace) -> bool:
+  return not frogpilot_toggles.no_logging
 
 procs = [
   DaemonProcess("manage_athenad", "system.athena.manage_athenad", "AthenadPid"),
 
-  NativeProcess("loggerd", "system/loggerd", ["./loggerd"], logging),
-  NativeProcess("encoderd", "system/loggerd", ["./encoderd"], only_onroad),
+  NativeProcess("loggerd", "system/loggerd", ["./loggerd"], and_(allow_logging, logging)),
+  NativeProcess("encoderd", "system/loggerd", ["./encoderd"], and_(allow_logging, only_onroad)),
   NativeProcess("stream_encoderd", "system/loggerd", ["./encoderd", "--stream"], notcar),
   PythonProcess("logmessaged", "system.logmessaged", always_run),
 
   NativeProcess("camerad", "system/camerad", ["./camerad"], driverview, enabled=not WEBCAM),
   PythonProcess("webcamerad", "tools.webcam.camerad", driverview, enabled=WEBCAM),
-  PythonProcess("proclogd", "system.proclogd", only_onroad, enabled=platform.system() != "Darwin"),
-  PythonProcess("journald", "system.journald", only_onroad, platform.system() != "Darwin"),
+  PythonProcess("proclogd", "system.proclogd", and_(allow_logging, only_onroad), enabled=platform.system() != "Darwin"),
+  PythonProcess("journald", "system.journald", and_(allow_logging, only_onroad), platform.system() != "Darwin"),
   PythonProcess("micd", "system.micd", iscar),
   PythonProcess("timed", "system.timed", always_run, enabled=not PC),